I read where the average training time for controllers in the U.S. is increasing. It used to take a year to train on a particular specialty; now it takes two. It used to take passing a graded exam on the first try; now some trainees are given two or three tries to pass. Today there are some trainees sitting in front of simulators who in times past would have been out the door months ago. What's going on here? I believe a couple of factors may be at play. One: we're not desperate to get people certified right now. The big exodus of CPCs is still around the corner and staffing is not critically short in most facilities. We've got the time to string trainees along, so, it could be argued, "Why not?" Another factor may be who we're training these days. Many newbies are from the CTI program (read: off-the-street) and many don't have ATC experience. Logic dictates that they'll need to spend a bit more time in training than an ex-military type. No problem. The one factor I fear most, however, is that these changes might be because we're making our training programs less intense, less demanding and less time specific. I worry that we're letting some people slide because they whine and complain about the difficulty of the program. (They may not use those words; instead they talk about "fairness" or "consistency," but what they mean is that it's just too darn hard.) Some suggest that we need to lighten up on the new kids. Give 'em a break. No way! Your air traffic controller - and if you're flying, you have one - needs to be like your doctor: the best money can buy. I don't want a heart surgeon who only made it through med school because his professors decided to "give the kid a break." I want the best, no matter how incredibly difficult the training was. Same with the controller working my flight into an over-crowded airport in a thunderstorm. Don't give me a whining, no-talent kid with a slick-talking union rep. Give me the guy or gal who poured sweat throughout a demanding training program and learned how to turn chaos into a string of pearls on final - - - not how to mouth a bunch of lame excuses!

Amazing isnt it with the pressing need for controllers and the need for them quick the FAA is taking 20 yo kids from their community colleges that have never talked to a plane. But ex military guys who have worked from 5 to 20 years have to wait for the the CTI's to wash out. Great isnt it? But out of my 9 years of controlling, my shipboard controlling doesnt count. So I guess I will wait for a CTI kid to figure out that it is not for him and maybe get the call from the FAA:(

Atleast you'll get your chance! The FAA had a chance to put over 2000 experienced people into training for towers and centers. I am a flight service specialist (also a 2152) who is getting RIFed on Oct. 4. They wouldn't even let us bid on the jobs. They put out some bids for small towers that only a few were allowed to bid on. I have 15 years experience talking with pilots and dealing with the ATC system. Wouldn't I make a better canidate for training than some CTI kid who doesn't know the difference between an Airbus and a Mooney!!!

Hey,

I'm retired USAF teaching at a CTI college that has two tower sims and 32 radar sims.

We allow the grads to receive over 200 hours of sim time and even though the traffic isn't "real."

It is intense. We have had 4 failures in 14 years, which equates to 205 CPC'd.

So don't stereotype all CTI schools as low cost solution to major problem.

System is never going to change, find least expensive (washouts cost less to replace than more qualifed, yes more qualified military controllers).

So blame those who make the policy on hiring - we have had 10-15 military controllers go through our program and even though they felt they should have been hired directly.. it still gave them the opportunity to control the "FAA" way.

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